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Hi, I'm looking for some information around US SEC data (e.g. jbnssec8_dv). I'm looking for a variable to proxy socio-economic position and this seems to be the closest. However, the 8 categories are different to those listed by the ONS in their methodology.
(See here for a detailed methodology discussion from ONS: https://www.ons.gov.uk/methodology/classificationsandstandards/otherclassifications/thenationalstatisticssocioeconomicclassificationnssecrebasedonsoc2010#continuity-with-social-class-and-socio-economic-group)
US categories:
1. Large employers & higher management
2. Higher professional
3. Lower management & professional
4. Intermediate
5. Small employers & own account
6. Lower supervisory & technical
7. Semi-routine
8. Routine
ONS categories:
1. Higher managerial, administrative and professional occupations
1.1 Large employers and higher managerial and administrative occupations
1.2 Higher professional occupations
2. Lower managerial, administrative and professional occupations
3. Intermediate occupations
4. Small employers and own account workers
5. Lower supervisory and technical occupations
6. Semi-routine occupations
7. Routine occupations
8. Never worked and long-term unemployed
Please can you explain the rationale for the difference and where the US categories came from? Why has 'never worked and long-term unemployed' been excluded from the US categories?
Many thanks.
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Hello,
The value labels of jbnssec8_dv do not match the ONS NSSEC 8-cateogorisation, but the categories are the same. If you look at jbnssec_dv you will see these categories and their labels match the categories of the detailed NSSEC as described on the ONS website. Then if you coompare jbnssec_dv and jbnssec8_dv you will see that the cross-walk between these two matches the one recommended in the ONS webpage.
https://www.understandingsociety.ac.uk/documentation/mainstage/dataset-documentation/variable/jbnssec_dv
https://www.ons.gov.uk/methodology/classificationsandstandards/otherclassifications/thenationalstatisticssocioeconomicclassificationnssecrebasedonsoc2010#category-descriptions-and-operational-issues
So, categories 1 & 2 of jbnnsec_dv ("Employers in large establishments" & "Higher managerial and admin. Occupations") are categorised into jbnssec8_dv = 1 ("Large employers & higher management").
As per the ONS guidance, NSSEC8 catgegory 1.1 ("Large employers and higher managerial and administrative occupations") represents L1 ("Employers in large establishments") and L2 ("Higher managerial and administrative occupations")
If this does not answer your question, or there are other mismatches you have identified please let us know.
Best wishes,
Understanding Society User Support Team
Updated by Ruth Bickerton over 2 years ago
Understanding Society User Support Team wrote in #note-1:
Hello,
The value labels of jbnssec8_dv do not match the ONS NSSEC 8-cateogorisation, but the categories are the same. If you look at jbnssec_dv you will see these categories and their labels match the categories of the detailed NSSEC as described on the ONS website. Then if you coompare jbnssec_dv and jbnssec8_dv you will see that the cross-walk between these two matches the one recommended in the ONS webpage.
https://www.understandingsociety.ac.uk/documentation/mainstage/dataset-documentation/variable/jbnssec_dv
https://www.ons.gov.uk/methodology/classificationsandstandards/otherclassifications/thenationalstatisticssocioeconomicclassificationnssecrebasedonsoc2010#category-descriptions-and-operational-issuesSo, categories 1 & 2 of jbnnsec_dv ("Employers in large establishments" & "Higher managerial and admin. Occupations") are categorised into jbnssec8_dv = 1 ("Large employers & higher management").
As per the ONS guidance, NSSEC8 catgegory 1.1 ("Large employers and higher managerial and administrative occupations") represents L1 ("Employers in large establishments") and L2 ("Higher managerial and administrative occupations")If this does not answer your question, or there are other mismatches you have identified please let us know.
Best wishes,
Understanding Society User Support Team
Thanks for getting back to me. I can see the links between the categories, but wonder why the unemployment category is not included in US. Presumably the responses given are just for those in work, and the 14,256 'inapplicable' responses are those not employed (unemployed, students, retired etc)?
Thanks
Ruth
Understanding Society User Support Team wrote in #note-1:
Hello,
The value labels of jbnssec8_dv do not match the ONS NSSEC 8-cateogorisation, but the categories are the same. If you look at jbnssec_dv you will see these categories and their labels match the categories of the detailed NSSEC as described on the ONS website. Then if you coompare jbnssec_dv and jbnssec8_dv you will see that the cross-walk between these two matches the one recommended in the ONS webpage.
https://www.understandingsociety.ac.uk/documentation/mainstage/dataset-documentation/variable/jbnssec_dv
https://www.ons.gov.uk/methodology/classificationsandstandards/otherclassifications/thenationalstatisticssocioeconomicclassificationnssecrebasedonsoc2010#category-descriptions-and-operational-issuesSo, categories 1 & 2 of jbnnsec_dv ("Employers in large establishments" & "Higher managerial and admin. Occupations") are categorised into jbnssec8_dv = 1 ("Large employers & higher management").
As per the ONS guidance, NSSEC8 catgegory 1.1 ("Large employers and higher managerial and administrative occupations") represents L1 ("Employers in large establishments") and L2 ("Higher managerial and administrative occupations")If this does not answer your question, or there are other mismatches you have identified please let us know.
Best wishes,
Understanding Society User Support Team
Updated by Understanding Society User Support Team over 2 years ago
Yes for jbnssec_dv unemployed is not included as an additional category, rather jbnssec_dv=-8 identifies those who said they didn't have a job last week (jbhas=2 & jboff=2). This is explained here https://www.understandingsociety.ac.uk/documentation/mainstage/dataset-documentation/variable/jbnssec_dv
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